"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
06/18/2016 at 09:54 • Filed to: Speculations
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"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
06/18/2016 at 09:54 • Filed to: Speculations | 0
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With the refresh coming up soon for the Mustang, I think the biggest changes will be the engines. I was thinking namely the 5.0 getting direct injection, the 2.3L getting some new components and broader powerband, and a 2.7L and later a 3.5L Ecoboost V6 being slotted above the 2.3L as the NA V6 is dropped. So the lineup might end up looking more like so:
2.3T: 310 hp and 320 lb-ft starting at $26,645.
2.7T: 345 hp and 360 lb-ft starting at $28,840.
3.5T: 400 hp and 390 lb-ft starting at $31,645.
5.0L: 450 hp and 415 lb-ft starting at $35,840.
Here is the Camaro for comparison:
2.0T: 275 hp and 284 lb-ft starting at $26,305.
3.6L: 335 hp and 295 lb-ft starting at $27,800.
6.2L: 455 hp and 455 lb-ft starting at $36,905.
Which means we could see Chevy respond with the addition of a turbo V6 slotting below the V8. Something around 385 hp for $29,900 or they may approach the V-Sport levels with 410 hp and 410 lb-ft for $31,205. Honestly I think this is already planned for but the Camaro reacts off of the Mustang, that’s the point of the vehicle. So something like this in two years:
2.0T: 295 hp and 284 lb-ft starting at $26,305.
3.6L Turbo: 345 hp and 345 lb-ft starting at $28,405.
3.6L Turbo: 395 hp and 395 lb-ft starting at $31,205.
6.2L: 455 hp and 455 lb-ft starting at $36,905.
A new Challenger appears.
3.6L: 305 hp and 268 lb-ft starting at $26,995.
5.7L: 375 hp and 410 lb-ft starting at $31,995.
6.4L: 485 hp and 475 lb-ft starting at $37,995.
I don’t know what FCA is doing with engine tech. The only engine I know will stay around is the 6.4L. I think the 5.7L is about to be replaced with another engine of similar size as well as a turbocharged V6. Im betting on one more refresh for the Challenger coming soon with a four engine lineup like so:
Reworked 3.6L: 320 hp and 280 lb-ft starting at $27,495.
Turbo V6: 375 hp and 350 lb-ft starting at $30,995
New V8 (probably 5.7L): 410 hp and 395 lb-ft starting at $33,995.
6.4L: 485 hp and 475 lb-ft starting at $37,995.
I wouldn’t be surprised if whatever smaller two-door that replaces the Challenger in 3 years keeps all the engines except replacing the NA V6 with a turbo 4-cyl.
Your American Muscle lineup for 2018 will look like this then:
MY 2019 Mustang (refresh for MY 2018 introduce 2.7T, MY 2019 introduce 3.5T)
2.3T I4: 310 hp and 320 lb-ft starting at $26,645.
2.7T V6: 345 hp and 360 lb-ft starting at $28,840.
3.5T V6: 400 hp and 390 lb-ft starting at $31,645.
5.0L V8: 450 hp and 415 lb-ft starting at $35,840.
MY 2019 Camaro (refresh with new engine lineup)
2.0T I4: 295 hp and 284 lb-ft starting at $26,305.
3.6T V6: 345 hp and 345 lb-ft starting at $28,405.
3.6T V6: 395 hp and 395 lb-ft starting at $31,205.
6.2L V8: 455 hp and 455 lb-ft starting at $36,905.
MY 2019 Challenger (final model year of production, introduce engines, run for 16 months, replace with 2020 Barracuda or something)
3.6L V6: 320 hp and 280 lb-ft starting at $27,495.
3.6T V6: 375 hp and 350 lb-ft starting at $30,995.
5.7L V8: 410 hp and 395 lb-ft starting at $33,995.
6.4L V8: 485 hp and 475 lb-ft starting at $37,995.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Wobbles the Mind
06/18/2016 at 10:05 |
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My vote would be for any of those cars to have windows large enough to see out of.
Sam
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/18/2016 at 10:10 |
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The Mustang does. It goes like -
1. Mustang
2. 747
3. Jail cell
4. Submarine
5. Diving bell
6. Challenger
7. Camaro
hike
> Wobbles the Mind
06/18/2016 at 10:27 |
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I expect the next Challenger to shrink when it shifts to the Giorgio platform. It should also get the new Hurricane turbo 4 cylinder.
Jack Does Cars
> Wobbles the Mind
06/18/2016 at 11:07 |
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I don’t see ford dropping the 3.5 in the Mustang at all, as it would take too many sales from the GT. The 2.7 is something I can see, though. It’d make a nice midpoint between the I4 EcoBoost and the GT.
Jayhawk Jake
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/18/2016 at 11:13 |
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Mustang is fine. Front and side is no worse than the majority of cars I've driven. Hood is a bit long and in the way, but it's a big car so that's expected. Rear isn't great, but it's not terrible
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Jayhawk Jake
06/18/2016 at 12:28 |
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Cars used to be something you were transported in and looked at the countryside while it went by. Not so any more.
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Jayhawk Jake
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/18/2016 at 16:24 |
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I just drove 350 miles across the countryside, saw plenty
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Jayhawk Jake
06/18/2016 at 16:48 |
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We may be approaching this from different eras.